Listening to KAIZEN™ Sensei, Mr. Yukio
Kakiuchi

Part 1: Mr. Kakiuchi Meets Masaaki Imai
The story of Parts Seiko, Mr. Kakiuchi’s long
term client, is a valuable subject within the
book
Strategic KAIZEN™
written by Masaaki Imai, founder of Kaizen
Institute. Mr. Kakiuchi and Mr. Imai worked
closely together in the 90’s to help companies
in the United States and Europe while providing
training for local consultants. Shortly after,
the KAIZEN™ methodology was introduced as a
secret of Japan’s competitive success. Today,
KAIZEN™ remains as relative and powerful to
increase competitiveness for companies globally.
“…Unlike other consultants, our approach was not
top-down, telling people what to do,” says Mr.
Kakiuchi. In this first article of a five-part
series, Mr. Kakiuchi shares his consulting style
and relationship with Mr. Imai with Risa Imai
Cox, Executive Director of Kaizen Global Group
of Companies.
Thank you for your time today, please tell us about
yourself a little bit.
I graduated from the department of Industrial
Engineering of Tokyo Institute of Technology in
March 1974. My study was closely linked to KAIZEN™,
so I was assigned to the department involving
KAIZEN™ at Nissan. I spent 18 years at Nissan,
including two years studying at Stanford University.
At Nissan, I was assigned to various departments,
even in the sales department where I had to sell
cars on the street and did door-to-door sales, which
we never see any more. As I remember, no matter what
I did, I was always involved in KAIZEN™. Then, I
started to think about being an independent
consultant to help companies.
“As I remember, no matter what I did, I was always
involved in KAIZEN™.”
How did you meet Mr. Imai?
After I left Nissan, I went through training at JIT,
a consulting company. Mr. Kenji Takahashi, who
worked at JIT in those days, accompanied Mr. Imai as
a consultant when Mr. Imai traveled to the US and
Europe to spread the concept of KAIZEN™. In 1991, I
joined the company as the fourth KAIZEN™ consultant.
Even coming from Nissan, learning about the Toyota
Production System (TPS) widened my knowledge and
enabled me to work better in various situations. I
knew I was contributing at Nissan, but I realized
that my KAIZEN™ in productivity, quality and such
was limited, such as in gemba. I realized there was
a notable difference in the two companies and how
they operated. At Toyota, the words ‘management’ and
‘KAIZEN™’ were seamlessly matching.
I was, then, given the opportunity to work in Europe. Mr. Imai who had already been consulting in Europe, came to see me how I worked as a consultant and had dinners with me. That is how I developed a relationship with Mr. Imai.
I was, then, given the opportunity to work in Europe. Mr. Imai who had already been consulting in Europe, came to see me how I worked as a consultant and had dinners with me. That is how I developed a relationship with Mr. Imai.
Please describe your consulting style.
KAIZEN™, a product of Japan, was becoming very
popular in Western companies. Many Japanese
consultants were working in US and Europe. However,
unlike other consultants, our approach was not
top-down, telling people what to do. Ours was always
thinking together and doing together in gemba. By
doing, we think more, learn more and do better. Mr.
Imai and I share the same view.
The focus of consultation business moved from Japan to Europe and the US, and I really enjoyed what I was doing. I improved my consulting skills and gained experience. KAIZEN™ gained popularity and became a boom around that time because of the book Mr. Imai wrote. After working with the company for 20 years, I became an independent consultant. In my view, there are three types of consultants: consultants who teach tools such as kanban or andon, consultants who are objective-oriented such as Deming Prize or TQC goals, and consultants who help the bottom-up approach. As an independent consultant, I am the third type, emphasizing participation from everyone.
The focus of consultation business moved from Japan to Europe and the US, and I really enjoyed what I was doing. I improved my consulting skills and gained experience. KAIZEN™ gained popularity and became a boom around that time because of the book Mr. Imai wrote. After working with the company for 20 years, I became an independent consultant. In my view, there are three types of consultants: consultants who teach tools such as kanban or andon, consultants who are objective-oriented such as Deming Prize or TQC goals, and consultants who help the bottom-up approach. As an independent consultant, I am the third type, emphasizing participation from everyone.
“By doing, we think more, learn more and do better.
Mr. Imai and I share the same view.”
So, you have a long history with Mr. Imai. What is
your experience now when you are with him?
We only talk about KAIZEN™! His brain is fully
occupied with KAIZEN™! I think he discovered and
positioned FSL™ as the entry to the theoretical
KAIZEN™ methodology. I think it is a very
interesting concept. Basically, you consider the
management of a company with an analogue view, not
with the digital view. The logic is if you have a
good posture, you could be healthy. I like it very
much.
By applying FSL™, Mr. Imai suggests that everything will have to improve holistically and horizontally, with everyone in it. In this view, reduction of inventory is not isolated, people will have purposes and goals, and it will enhance better communications. I think ordinary people tend to see only a part of it, such as the inventory was reduced, or the lead time was shortened. But he came up with the idea by putting all of these together and calls it the management of a company. No wonder he is so energetic.
By applying FSL™, Mr. Imai suggests that everything will have to improve holistically and horizontally, with everyone in it. In this view, reduction of inventory is not isolated, people will have purposes and goals, and it will enhance better communications. I think ordinary people tend to see only a part of it, such as the inventory was reduced, or the lead time was shortened. But he came up with the idea by putting all of these together and calls it the management of a company. No wonder he is so energetic.

Part 2: Mr. Kakiuchi and Parts Seiko
“KAIZEN™ is for people with a problem, so if you
stop such efforts to solve problems, it will all
disappear for sure,” says Mr. Kakiuchi. The
story of Parts Seiko, Mr. Kakiuchi’s long term
client, is a valuable subject within the book
Strategic KAIZEN™
written by Masaaki Imai, founder of Kaizen
Institute. Mr. Kakiuchi and Mr. Imai worked
closely together in the 90’s to help companies
in the United States and Europe while providing
training for local consultants. Shortly after,
the KAIZEN™ methodology was introduced as a
secret of Japan’s competitive success. Today,
KAIZEN™ remains as relative and powerful to
increase competitiveness for companies globally.
In this second article of a five-part series,
Mr. Kakiuchi describes his Parts Seiko KAIZEN™
project to Risa Imai Cox.
I believe it has been nearly 10 years since you
started to consult Parts Seiko. Could you share what
happened in those 10 years?
The main business of Parts Seiko has been precision
machining. They have about 2,000 customers. They
receive engineering drawings from customers and have
both repeated orders and one-time orders. When I
visited them the first time, the shop floor was
mess, which was not surprising. So, based on a
program I developed, we did thorough cleaning and
organizing where many problems came to the surface.
As the program advanced, people visited other
departments to understand and share the problems. By
doing this, people learn how KAIZEN™ works and
understand the importance of everybody
participating. They start to use the same language
and become a team. And this evolved to the
improvement of all departments working as one.
Until two years ago, every two months a meeting was held with representatives from all sites. They met at the head office in Saitama and presented the improvement efforts and visit the gemba. But in the past two years, everything became online. It was good that overseas participants could join the meeting online, but unfortunate that we were not able to communicate directly. Parts Seiko’s strength is to retrofit and use the old machineries to perform equivalent to new machines, as well as generating ideas to cut better. They would share results, such as the order of cutting on CAD, selection of tools, and best maintenance, and I franticly calculate and study the lead time safeguarding quality.
I suggested the “Factory as a Show Room” concept, which resulted in the factory becoming a product. A show room in general is a place where finished products are exhibited. I suggest changing a factory itself into a show room. Then, the prospects who were not sure about placing an order before, would learn as soon as they step into the factory why the product quality is good, why they keep the delivery time, and why the price is reasonable. It is so obvious. The president appreciated my idea to commoditize a factory and show it to customers. Since then, orders have increased. This had direct correlation to KAIZEN™.
Until two years ago, every two months a meeting was held with representatives from all sites. They met at the head office in Saitama and presented the improvement efforts and visit the gemba. But in the past two years, everything became online. It was good that overseas participants could join the meeting online, but unfortunate that we were not able to communicate directly. Parts Seiko’s strength is to retrofit and use the old machineries to perform equivalent to new machines, as well as generating ideas to cut better. They would share results, such as the order of cutting on CAD, selection of tools, and best maintenance, and I franticly calculate and study the lead time safeguarding quality.
I suggested the “Factory as a Show Room” concept, which resulted in the factory becoming a product. A show room in general is a place where finished products are exhibited. I suggest changing a factory itself into a show room. Then, the prospects who were not sure about placing an order before, would learn as soon as they step into the factory why the product quality is good, why they keep the delivery time, and why the price is reasonable. It is so obvious. The president appreciated my idea to commoditize a factory and show it to customers. Since then, orders have increased. This had direct correlation to KAIZEN™.
“I suggested the “Factory as a Show Room” concept,
which resulted in the factory becoming a product.”
How can you maintain what you teach?
It is hard when the top, such as president or plant
manager, changes. It happens a lot for large
companies. Sometimes you lose all efforts. It is
easier when the management stays. But, keeping
consistent meetings, even if it is only every other
month, to share efforts will maintain motivation so
that the strength won’t be lost. KAIZEN™ is for
people with a problem, so if you stop such efforts
to solve problems, it will all disappear for sure.
What are some memorable moments when you visited
Parts Seiko with Mr. Imai?
Mr. Imai surprises everybody, including people of
Parts Seiko, by showing up carrying a backpack.
Right after I introduced him to Parts Seiko, the
plant manager happened to be watching a TV program
about KAIZEN™ one day and saw Mr. Imai’s name and
was so surprised that it was him who was visiting
them often.
He always keeps a smile on his face and walks up the stairs of the factory with no problem. Workers apologized for not having a lift available due to his age, but he said, “Whenever I find stairs, I’m very happy to have an exercising opportunity,” which surprised everybody and made them fans of Mr. Imai.
He also visited Parts Seiko by himself many times. Everybody who had a chance to spend time with Mr. Imai are all affected with his charms. Mr. Imai has a super-positive perspective about everything, even the COVID-19 pandemic. When I dined with him, he said “Mr. Kakiuchi, you have a Corona-chance now, are you making money?” That is Mr. Imai. He never says that he is having tough time. And he just cannot stop talking about FSL™ whenever I see him.
He always keeps a smile on his face and walks up the stairs of the factory with no problem. Workers apologized for not having a lift available due to his age, but he said, “Whenever I find stairs, I’m very happy to have an exercising opportunity,” which surprised everybody and made them fans of Mr. Imai.
He also visited Parts Seiko by himself many times. Everybody who had a chance to spend time with Mr. Imai are all affected with his charms. Mr. Imai has a super-positive perspective about everything, even the COVID-19 pandemic. When I dined with him, he said “Mr. Kakiuchi, you have a Corona-chance now, are you making money?” That is Mr. Imai. He never says that he is having tough time. And he just cannot stop talking about FSL™ whenever I see him.
“I believe my role as a consultant is to help
realize the idea and let people act toward that
goal.”
What does a good consultant look like who can
generate results for companies?
Understanding what the management of the company
says alone will not change anything. I believe my
role as a consultant is to help realize the idea and
let people act toward that goal. I think it is
important to listen to all people in gemba whether
they are foreigners, aged, men or women. Because by
listening to them, enormous power can be created.
Even if they are not well educated or they cannot
speak fluently, just one word from a worker could
dramatically improve the design done by an expert of
CAD. That’s why it is important to listen to people.
But they do not talk to you spontaneously even if
you encourage them to talk. Unless you ask good
questions, you cannot expect good answers. I think
it is important to ask good questions and give them
security and freedom to say anything they want.
Focus on positives and praise. It will improve the
culture and gain momentum.
It is important to let them know that fixing the problem is not the end, it is just a trigger. Convincing people to spread the solution to other parts of the organization is my job. Make a part to a whole. Successful companies have such strength to do so.
It is important to let them know that fixing the problem is not the end, it is just a trigger. Convincing people to spread the solution to other parts of the organization is my job. Make a part to a whole. Successful companies have such strength to do so.
Part 3: Differences Between Japanese and Western
Companies
“The keyword is total optimization. Things do not
work well together, even if an individual fulfills
one’s requirements,” says Mr. Kakiuchi. The story of
Parts Seiko, Mr. Kakiuchi’s long term client, is a
valuable subject within the book
Strategic KAIZEN™
written by Masaaki Imai, founder of Kaizen
Institute. Mr. Kakiuchi and Mr. Imai worked closely
together in the 90’s to help companies in the United
States and Europe while providing training for local
consultants. Shortly after, the KAIZEN™ methodology
was introduced as a secret of Japan’s competitive
success. Today, KAIZEN™ remains as relative and
powerful to increase competitiveness for companies
globally. In this third article of a five-part
series, Mr. Kakiuchi compares his experiences
working in Japan and Western countries with Risa
Imai Cox.
What was the difference you observed between the US
and Japan?
I experienced the rapid economic growth period in
Japan. In those times, the ‘correct’ behavior and
life-long employment were expected. As I think back,
one of the reasons why I decided to leave Nissan was
because I witnessed the freedom in the US. In the
US, I saw people being able to express themselves
freely. In Japan, that was not the case.
The gemba of production was also very different. In the US, no one was paying attention to gemba, there was no KAIZEN™. It was a totally different culture. They thought managers and workers were different human beings. Managers, supervisors, and workers were all separated. Nobody looked at gemba. So, when we explained why Japanese companies produced good results, they were surprised. In Nissan, even university graduates wore uniforms and worked with operators in gemba. In Japan, it was natural for everybody to participate in manufacturing, but not in the US.
I was shocked when I visited a GM factory in San Francisco. When handling a press machine, you must be extremely cautious. As a safety measure, the worker had rings on both wrists. When the press came down, the strings attached to the rings shrunk and the worker raised both arms as if he did banzai. It was as if the worker was doing forced labor. It was a long time ago, but I was surprised that that was normal operation there.
The gemba of production was also very different. In the US, no one was paying attention to gemba, there was no KAIZEN™. It was a totally different culture. They thought managers and workers were different human beings. Managers, supervisors, and workers were all separated. Nobody looked at gemba. So, when we explained why Japanese companies produced good results, they were surprised. In Nissan, even university graduates wore uniforms and worked with operators in gemba. In Japan, it was natural for everybody to participate in manufacturing, but not in the US.
I was shocked when I visited a GM factory in San Francisco. When handling a press machine, you must be extremely cautious. As a safety measure, the worker had rings on both wrists. When the press came down, the strings attached to the rings shrunk and the worker raised both arms as if he did banzai. It was as if the worker was doing forced labor. It was a long time ago, but I was surprised that that was normal operation there.
“In Japan, it was natural for everybody to
participate in manufacturing, but not in the US.”
Back then, what was the difference between Japanese
and Western managers?
As an example, in a European country, workers were
only expected to do what they were told. Of course,
there was no KAIZEN™. Workers were afraid of getting
fired and didn’t say anything. Management thought
that gemba workers cannot be responsible to produce
good quality, so they instruct, standardize, and
provide tools and parts for them to follow. The
managers had a lot of work to do and had to create
added value.
By contrast, Japanese culture encourages everybody to participate and gemba could almost operate on their own to create functional products. I think presidents of Japanese companies back then had an easy time without having to think about product development.
During the rapid economic growth when everything was still analogue, workers in Japanese manufacturing worked in various programs such as Quality Circles (QC). Thus, they produced quality products. No wonder why Japan became number one. It was time when quality products would sell well.
By contrast, Japanese culture encourages everybody to participate and gemba could almost operate on their own to create functional products. I think presidents of Japanese companies back then had an easy time without having to think about product development.
During the rapid economic growth when everything was still analogue, workers in Japanese manufacturing worked in various programs such as Quality Circles (QC). Thus, they produced quality products. No wonder why Japan became number one. It was time when quality products would sell well.
What do you think remains effective today from the
Japanese method back then?
The keyword is total optimization. Things do not
work well together, even if an individual fulfills
one’s requirements. To realize total optimization,
managers must provide the support to create the
environment where everybody can contribute together.
It is not good enough where each person does their
own job well.
Part 4: Challenges in Market Shifts and KAIZEN™
“The question is how to let everybody participate in
this modern work environment,” says Mr. Kakiuchi.
The story of Parts Seiko, Mr. Kakiuchi’s long term
client, is a valuable subject within the book
Strategic KAIZEN™
written by Masaaki Imai, founder of Kaizen
Institute. Mr. Kakiuchi and Mr. Imai worked closely
together in the 90’s to help companies in the United
States and Europe while providing training for local
consultants. Shortly after, the KAIZEN™ methodology
was introduced as a secret of Japan’s competitive
success. Today, KAIZEN™ remains as relative and
powerful to increase competitiveness for companies
globally. In this fourth article of a five-part
series, Mr. Kakiuchi explains the changes in the
market and his recommendations how to face them to
Risa Imai Cox.
So far, you have shared a lot about the past. Now,
please share your view of how the world is changing.
Managers who resist KAIZEN™ must be people who are
not interested in production. I work as a lecturer
at Japan Management Consultants Association and am
in charge of the course to train production
managers. This is a large organization, but mine is
the only course for manufacturing. Other courses are
for financing or mental training. Managers of
companies tend to be attracted to trendy or
accessible courses, but not to the crude
manufacturing course. I think the interest in
manufacturing is decreasing in general. Perhaps,
managers who are interested in manufacturing are
fewer than before. This naturally makes it difficult
to do KAIZEN™.
Most of your current clients are Japanese companies.
What are specific problems that Japanese companies
face now?
We are short on young people. For example, if you
suggest 24 hours operation with three shifts, nobody
will come. So, there is no choice but to hire
foreign labor through temporary agencies. There are
language barriers and there is no tacit
understanding which we could have among Japanese
people. This is not the work place for KAIZEN™.
Supervisors keep worrying about staffing and
training new people day and night, because people
quit quickly and easily. Unlike old days, companies
are no longer the places where everybody thinks
together and works on KAIZEN™ together.
Further, the Japanese market has shrunk in recent years and China also became capable of making functional products. Japan, in the meantime, is having to make products that are sellable, knowing what the customers want and please them.
Regardless of what they are making today, Japanese companies are not good at innovation. They cannot innovate products like the iPhone. They focus on the part of the products that the customers value most, how to please them more, and so on. They review design, improve quality, reduce parts, and eliminate breakage. By doing so, sometimes they come up with a product that surprises everyone.
Further, the Japanese market has shrunk in recent years and China also became capable of making functional products. Japan, in the meantime, is having to make products that are sellable, knowing what the customers want and please them.
Regardless of what they are making today, Japanese companies are not good at innovation. They cannot innovate products like the iPhone. They focus on the part of the products that the customers value most, how to please them more, and so on. They review design, improve quality, reduce parts, and eliminate breakage. By doing so, sometimes they come up with a product that surprises everyone.
“…There has to be top-down policy deployment, which
is a premise.”
How would you help Japanese and non-Japanese
companies alike?
I would like to understand what objective they want
to achieve in a top-down approach and what they
expect to see specifically. Based on that
understanding, I would ask who is responsible for
carrying out the program. For example, if a company
wants to improve the quality, who is responsible for
improving the quality? They may have to do more
research on materials and maybe the design itself is
a problem, or their handling of tools might be
wrong. If workers are not taught how to use tools,
then everybody is responsible.
The question is how to let everybody participate in this modern work environment. Instead of making a speech to insist everybody’s participation is important, I suggest to let everybody join in the method I mentioned before and clean the place. Then, start KAIZEN™ using what you learned so far. People can understand the importance of bottom-up much better once you use your own body. This is one way to start. Needless to say, there has to be top-down policy deployment, which is a premise. Without it, nothing works. But when nothing works, even if there is a specific instruction, I suggest using the method and collecting small ideas which enable people to act even without instruction.
The question is how to let everybody participate in this modern work environment. Instead of making a speech to insist everybody’s participation is important, I suggest to let everybody join in the method I mentioned before and clean the place. Then, start KAIZEN™ using what you learned so far. People can understand the importance of bottom-up much better once you use your own body. This is one way to start. Needless to say, there has to be top-down policy deployment, which is a premise. Without it, nothing works. But when nothing works, even if there is a specific instruction, I suggest using the method and collecting small ideas which enable people to act even without instruction.
Part 5: Changes in Business
“Gone are the days when you could manage a company
as long as you manage QCD well,” says Mr. Kakiuchi.
The story of Parts Seiko, Mr. Kakiuchi’s long term
client, is a valuable subject within the book
Strategic KAIZEN™
written by Masaaki Imai, founder of Kaizen
Institute. Mr. Kakiuchi and Mr. Imai worked closely
together in the 90’s to help companies in the United
States and Europe while providing training for local
consultants. Shortly after, the KAIZEN™ methodology
was introduced as a secret of Japan’s competitive
success. Today, KAIZEN™ remains as relative and
powerful to increase competitiveness for companies
globally. In this final article of a five-part
series, Mr. Kakiuchi shares his suggestions on how
to adapt alongside the changes in business with Risa
Imai Cox-
In these changing business environments, what should
companies focus on to succeed?
The period when the Japanese economy was growing
rapidly was called “Product Out”, meaning you can
sell if you make them. It was a period when good
quality products were made through gemba programs
such as QC circles. But with product diversification
over the years, it became difficult to predict what
you could sell. That’s when Toyota Production System
(TPS) was developed. They were able to deliver what
the customer wanted just in time without a computer
during this growing period.
During the Product Out period, people who played key roles were people in gemba who were capable of doing KAIZEN™ and managers who could implement TPS. The president was not among them. Gone are the days when you could manage a company as long as you manage QCD (Quality, Cost, Delivery) well. Even if you understand TPS, you still can not sell, and even if you can sell, the profit is not good. That is today’s Japan. In the past, quality products were sold well, so you just needed to improve quality. But now, good quality is a matter of course, the default. Then what is the next target?
Markets are not necessarily buying quality products anymore. Good quality is not enough. You have to think about how you can please the market, how you can make products that surprise the market. They don’t necessarily have to be products, they can be services. You have to find out what the needs of the customers are. Is it short lead time? Unbroken products? While finding out what is needed, we should all work together to fulfil those needs instead of relying on professionals. Our jobs are in fact increasing. The time when all you have to do is to manage gembakaizen and improve QCD is certainly over.
During the Product Out period, people who played key roles were people in gemba who were capable of doing KAIZEN™ and managers who could implement TPS. The president was not among them. Gone are the days when you could manage a company as long as you manage QCD (Quality, Cost, Delivery) well. Even if you understand TPS, you still can not sell, and even if you can sell, the profit is not good. That is today’s Japan. In the past, quality products were sold well, so you just needed to improve quality. But now, good quality is a matter of course, the default. Then what is the next target?
Markets are not necessarily buying quality products anymore. Good quality is not enough. You have to think about how you can please the market, how you can make products that surprise the market. They don’t necessarily have to be products, they can be services. You have to find out what the needs of the customers are. Is it short lead time? Unbroken products? While finding out what is needed, we should all work together to fulfil those needs instead of relying on professionals. Our jobs are in fact increasing. The time when all you have to do is to manage gembakaizen and improve QCD is certainly over.
“Good quality is not enough.”
Do you have any good examples to share?
Our generation is not very good with digitalization.
For example, one soy sauce company is making “the
white soy sauce” which is very unique. The company
was confident it would be sold well as it presents a
high-class feeling. However, when it came to the
website, the product was poorly advertised. So, I
suggested to listen to young people. I found two
talented young ladies and asked their opinion. They
agreed that the advertisement did not deserve the
quality product. They also said that they could not
mention it in front of the president. But they took
photos of the recipe using this new product for the
purpose of Instagram on their own initiative and
developed the online order system and QR code
application. They have a more diversified team, and
it shows how total optimization and everybody’s
involvement are business relevant.
What is your biggest expectation from the top and
what is the most important instruction you would
provide?
The president is a person who can decide everything
after all. Even if I insist to listen to everybody,
the final decision is always made by the president.
What I expect from the top is a demonstration of
leadership to show the right direction based on
employees’ understanding and capability to get
things done, and to speak with data. Then people can
place their trust in the president.